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4057: Inside by Hypnos (or All those Cells and Bars)

Posted by Dave Hennings on 13 November 2009

Hypnos has had about 20 puzzles in the Indy and EV series over the last eight years; however I believe this is his first Listener, so I’m expecting good things.

The preamble was quite tortuous, with links, more links, a theme word and a thematic example; plus some clues under the headings Alternative and Associative, and not forgetting some extra letters in the down clues to deal with. As is my wont in such circumstances I dived straight in with the acrosses; at least they were normal, unlike the Alternatives and Associatives which also had an extra letter.

SUMERIAN, NEUTRALS and NALA came quickly. Not that I’d heard of NALA, but it was an easy alternate letters clue. I wonder who first came up with this clue type? I don’t think it’s been around that long, and is basically a sort of variation on the hidden clue, but with words like ‘alternate’, ‘oddly’ and ‘regularly’ instead of ‘in’ and the like. Generally they are as easy to solve as the standard hidden clue. Those three were the only acrosses I solved on my first pass so I made myself more coffee (it’s Saturday morning) and tackled the downs. Whoopee three more: COFF, ICER and IDEALLY. LIMPET and IDES next, and the top right was under way.

It seems to have been a recurrent theme, both here and on my Enigmatic Variations blog, that about now I say something to the effect that “progress was fairly slow”. I won’t disappoint you, although it has been slower! It was nice to see ALASKA defined not just as state, but as ‘detached state’. Just ‘state’ is a bit of a pain (after all there are 50 of them); nor am I fond of clues which have ‘man’ or ‘boy’ to indicate Alan or Peter or Bert. What is it that makes one name a man and another a boy? Probably interchangeable, but they get my gander!

The bottom right corner took ages, but a couple of clues elsewhere also stumped me for too long. Firstly, KNIT (Turning to leave Spain, bungle contract) was TINKER (bungle) – E (Spain), reversed (with R as the extra letter): it seemed to have all the elements for the clue, a starting word, an omission and its indicator and a reversal indicator, but they just seemed in the wrong order to me, and ‘to leave’ does not mean ‘leaving’. Then AGITATO, a perfectly fine clue (A GIT + (N)ATIO(N), with the I dropped), but could I see that at first? Dropping parts of a word when you’ve got extra letters floating around certainly taxes the brain!

Meanwhile, the extra letters in the down clues spelt GRID IS GIVEN STIR IN HOLE. This led to PORRIDGE, and given the title of the puzzle, a prison theme got my vote rather than breakfast cereals. Also it seemed likely that the Alternative clues led to synonyms for porridge, and the Associatives were linked in some way. Although lengths were given, they were the lengths of the grid entries not the clue answers themselves. I’d managed to solve most of them on and off while tackling the main grid. One of these was normal, and the extra letters in the others gave UPSAAND. SPANDAU is the name of the German prison where Rudolph Hess was kept for a little while; it was demolished as soon as he died in 1987.

Finally, there was the variant of the theme word to be highlighted and an accessory. BROSE and THIBLE were fairly easy to spot in the shape of a spoon. Putting the thematic example, SPANDAU, and thematic item CLINK below the grid finished the puzzle.

I must say that I thought a couple of surface readings a bit odd (Agitation enveloping festival to get sources of dye?), but they were made up for by ‘Dandy and Beano ultimately kept by former pupil’! All in all then, not a bad puzzle from Hypnos, and certainly an interesting theme. I wonder what made him think of it?

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Inside by Hypnos – Short commons!

Posted by shirleycurran on 13 November 2009

The 8X8 junior solvers have understood that this is Hypnos’ debut Listener crossword. Of course, to us, all the setters are ‘new’, though I believe Loda’s return last week was our first repeat of a setter. Intriguingly this debut crossword has a feature that we haven’t encountered very often in our short Listener solving career. With our relatively weak skills at deciphering wordplay, we are sometimes able to short-circuit the endgame and spot what we are looking for by a lucky guess, then work backwards. Wily Hypnos had made sure that it was almost impossible to take a shortcut to the end. We had to have all that convoluted cryptic clue from the down clues to find our way to PORRIDGE, and, even then, finding the BROSE in the grid was not easy – such a short word!

THIBLE was the very next entry in Bradford, but we had spent quite a long time wondering whether Scots had invented an AGITAT (quite plausible, since, apparently, the brose is not cooked but simply made ready by being agitated in the shepherd’s knapsack over a period of time – Yukk!), or stirred their brose with a TICERE or a LOUISE. It needed encouragement from our usual wise solver to send us back to Bradford. However – all of that was a long way off when we began our solve.

Four hours of tussling with difficult word play led us to a complete grid. The across clues gave us little trouble and we really liked some of them. Two green figures in mountainous region is lovely isn’t it? TIRO + L. Some simply went into the grid because they fitted. TRANSHIP was a fine solution for the definition part of ‘Grub, nothing less, one’s placed in mouth? Change trader maybe’ (8) but perhaps Denis will explain the clue, and I am wondering about TWEEL – ‘Quaint line in material from Holyrood House’ (5).

The down clues were not so easy. Words that were clearly good fits for the definitions slotted in quickly but we needed all of those extra wordplay letters to lead us to GRID IS GIVEN STIR IN HOLE and for a long time, we had a STAR in the hole and no idea where we were going. Again, we needed a push to send us back to Inside by Hypnosthe drawing board.

Having said that, we were not quite so intellectually challenged by the alternatives and associatives. Once we had put our usual red herring in the bin (we started out believing that the grid entries had to be the words that were ‘linked’  to these first eight solutions – a fearsome challenge! When will we learn to read the preamble carefully and interpret it correctly?)  We had soon produced RIVET, TANKARD, VEHICLE, COCKTAIL, SHOT, INSTINCT, LIMO and CAPSULE which gave us UPSAAND. With the very broad hint of the title, we immediately saw SPANDAU and realized that prison was our theme.

A night’s sleep and a fresh start led us to link our alternative and associative words: CLINK, JUG, QUAD, SLAMMER, BIRD, LIFE, STRETCH and TIME. I was all set to highlight STOCKS in the grid – it used to be a fine accessory to the summary justice system, but, of course, PORRIDGE led us to BROSE and finally to a brand new word for us, the THIBLE – and a bit of my favourite part – getting out the colours. However SPANDAU was fairly grim and the BROSE, even stirred with a thible is short commons. Feeling that it needed a little bit of Athollising, I added a wee dram or two.

So cheers, Hypnos, and thanks!

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Roc, by Loda – bird spotting!

Posted by shirleycurran on 6 November 2009

Following the on-line forum on the Times Crossword Competition (with astonishment – it takes the 8X8 junior coffee-break team just about as long to simply write the answers as it takes Mark Goodliffe to solve them), I was struck by the frequency with which solving blogs were recommended as helpful to learner solvers. Actually, I would go further and say that writing them helps too. Thinking through the solving process helps to rationalise it and develop it.

Relevance to Loda’s ROC? I think that almost a year ago, when we made our first attempt, we would soon have thrown up our hands in despair over this one. (Who said that his best qualification for Admiral of the Royal Navy was that he was frequently at sea? That’s us!) The extra complication of having to sort out the wordplay then find a thematic element to remove rendered this one of the most difficult we have encountered. And yet we survived.

JANITORIAL was a lucky start and the ORIAL part was soon confirmed by intersecting clues, but we were left with a three-letter element to find in JANIT (JAN, AIT, NIT, ANI – Great! Do we even use anagrams – TIN?)

We were delighted when KING CHARLES I appeared in the misprints. He isn’t allocated much space in the ODQ, and we had the OW of , “I see, all the birds have flown”, so we were on our way – but oh, so slowly!

Solving wasn’t helped by carelessness. I had miscalculated the length of some of the birds we were hunting for and thus opted for JUNIOR FEATHERWEIGHTS as the boxers but the wordplay was completely beyond me (though FEATHER appears in Chambers as ‘birds in general’) until my wise solving friend pointed out that BANTAM was a better fit with the wordplay (Journal) J IN OUR (seedy, i.e. anagram) BAN (bar) TAMS (caps) stuffed by W (with) EIGHT (number). The same calculation error (I fondly imagined I was working on a 14X14 grid) rendered the bird in INDETERMINATENESS (1ac.) very exotic. I kicked myself when I realized I was hunting for a simple MINA and not some ATENE or mythical beast.

ROC Wordplay is so often our problem and Loda’s crossword tested us harshly. The definition ‘sharp-sighted’ led us to HAWKEYED but we struggled for the wordplay - H (hot) A (essentially, i.e. middle of trAil) W (wife) KEY ED (leading journalist).
 
We spotted for hours and birds slowly emerged from the shrubbery: KA, ANI, TERN, HAWK, SCAPE, TREMBLER (for a while we  thought we were solving the Private Eye crossword, with the KNEE TREMBLER, and EROTIC ‘Wild rice including books, is liable to make man rise’ – really?) CROW, DOVE, MINA, BANTAM, SERIN, COB, and ERNE  …..

 Anyone whose grid-filling followed our pattern will recognise that we worked from the south-west corner to the north-east and that we still had two birds missing. Ironically, we had only two letters missing, too, in 11d (Oil producer’s staff without fresh water) TR?E – it was likely to be TREE and GOOSE-TREE exists (But it isn’t in Chambers – so what! Nor are SVEN, IJUI and RENO, but they are in the grid already and justified by perfectly sound clues!) TIME-SLAVES might well fit 23ac (After all, ‘doing bird’ is ‘doing time’ and the wordplay justifies SLAVES with LAVE in SS) – but all the other birds were literal ones, that fly and that sort of bird certainly doesn’t.

Of course, had we simply opted for the V of SLAVES and the E of TREE, it wouldn’t have made any difference to our grid, since the birds had flown, but, of course, the wordplay had to be sorted out to prove that we had the right birds – and thus letters. (Remember what Erwinch said, “If you are not sure that your solution is correct in a Listener crossword, you can be fairly sure that it isn’t.”)

Our wise friend came to our rescue and pointed out that there is a MACAW tree that justifies the anagram of MACE and WATER (fresh). Foolishly I had been attempting to take the F of Fresh from ‘staff’ (Oil producer’s staff without fresh water) and, of course, Shakespeare’s JACK-SLAVES.

All that was left to do was find the birds that merited ‘appropriately curved lines’: that didn’t take long. I like that word ‘appropriately’. It permits anything from a five-year old’s birdie squiggle to … well, I got out the coloured pencils and had a go. I wonder how many solvers spotted the AVES, ROC (rev.) and our French word, VOL, while they were  copying out the solution.

Thank you Loda, – challenging and great fun.

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