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Listener 4098: Schadenfreude’s Language Balancing (or A Cog in the Machine)

Posted by Dave Hennings on 27 August 2010

Although Schadenfreude has an Inquisitor puzzle every month or two, his Listener visits (once or twice a year) are something to look forwrad to. His last (4060, BAT) revealed his PIN number, and the one before (4034, Overhead Reduction) was based on the phrase “cutting out the middle man”. In Language Balancing, one letter or word has to be removed from each clue to spell out the definition of a phrase. Schadenfreude (as Oxymoron) has used this letter/word technique at least once before (EV 910, All the Initials), and I seem to remember it was great fun. Once the grid is complete, there will be some empty cells which will need filling.

I started off quickly, with the river EBRO at 7ac (Clive becoming Live in the clue), followed by STRESS at 16ac, with the letter M being dropped. Don’t ask me how I got COMIC at 22ac! Bunty for Bounty seemed the only possible word that could lose a letter, and the comic for girls was the obvious reference, confirmed by the wordplay IC after COM (for commerce). (I must stress that I was a Dandy and Beano boy!) Here we also had our first answer that doesn’t fill its length, and COSMIC seems to be very likely for its entry.

No more acrosses made themselves known, and I wondered whether I should give the clues more of a chance on my first pass through; normally it’s only 20 or 30 seconds. Anyway, next is 4dn SIRS, with the last R dropped from ruler, and then PATINA at 6dn (with my first word to be dropped, ME). Both these were just one short of their entry length, so it didn’t look as though there would be too much empty space at the end. A few more clues finally got solved, and most were in the top half of the grid, so that is where I concentrated my efforts over the next hour or so.

I decided to look more closely at the entries that were likely to have empty cells: SHAM.ERS/S.IRS, AR.KS and P.ATINA. SHAMMERS/SMIRS, ARAKS and PLATINA seemed to be the main (if not only) candidates, and reading left to right, I got MAL. MALTESE FALCON or MALTESE CROSS perhaps. I also had MECHANISM being spelt out by the dropped elements of the acrosses, and MOVEMENT in the downs. A quick check in Chambers revealed a Maltese cross to be (apart from the medal) the “mechanism providing intermittent frame-by-frame movement in a motion picture film projector”. It didn’t take much more studying of my grid at this point to realise that the letters added to the grid to make new words, when connected as required by the preamble, gave the shape of the medal itself. A very pleasing result.

Sadly, all this meant that the clues could be corrected and the rest of the puzzle (ie the bottom half) solved reasonably quickly … probably about 2½ hours all told. However, they were some good clues on the way, and HOWFFS transforming into SHOW-OFFS was a delight. All in all, a fine puzzle by one of the masters.

Not uncommonly, I also got nicely distracted when I solved 1ac ALDIS LAMP, with a nice little foray into the world of Monty Python. Remember The Semaphore Version of Wuthering Heights and Julius Caesar on an Aldis Lamp?!

Finally, here’s a picture I found of the mechanical type of Maltese Cross on Wikipedia.

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Half-Thyme by Dipper

Posted by shirleycurran on 20 August 2010

What a pleasure to be spotting solutions as the crossword rolls off the printer. REPS was the first we saw and it gave the game away immediately (Agents rely on records) R on EPS left us with ELY and a quick run through a list of herbs suggested that CIC was the remainder of CICELY. Obviously, as the fair and succinct preamble told us, we were going to pick CIC out of one of the across clues.

We were off on a very productive herb hunt and by the end of Friday had eleven of our twelve herbs (the clue lengths had given away how many letters we were expecting to remove from our across solutions and we rightly assumed – with reference to the title, Half-Thyme- that the same number would come out of down clues). This was fun!

We found ORI/GAN in HIST(ORI)OGRAPHER, 1ac and (gan)net 6d

CIVE in SO(CI)ETY, 11ac and ca(ve) 11d

BETONY in RAB(BET)S, 13ac and Ir(ony) 35d

BORAGE in AIR(BOR)NE, 15ac and sew(age) 27d

SAGE in (SA)LIVA, 20ac and ur(ge) 12d

CICELY in FAS(CIC)ULATE, 23ac and r(ely) 4d

MINT in (MI)LITARIA, 29ac and Ke(nt) 7d

FENNEL in OF(FEN)DRESS, 34ac and flan(nel)s 22d

SORREL in (SOR)BITE, 36ac and (rel)ease 17d

HYSSOP in P(HYS)ETER, 38ac and Ae(sop) 30d

PURPIE in (PUR)POSELESSNESS, 39ac and (pie) 24d.

We noted, of course, that even out in his garden, Dipper was indulging in the usual oenophilic Listener dose of a drop of Sauterne – but we have come to expect that by now – and not even the convenient ASTI filler! No doubt, soon, we’ll have one set entirely round an oenophilic theme!

We needed a twelfth herb and had only its second half LL (from 33d – ECHO – ‘Repeat part of PurceLL chorus). Evidently DI had to be hiding in the solution of our remaining unsolved across clue, ‘Dividing line is base minus unknown angular unit’.

This is the numpty solving blog, so, obviously we didn’t simply solve the clue (RADI with the X ‘unknown’ removed, dividing STEAN – to line, providing STERADIAN).  We gazed, instead, at the clashes (wondering how seven clashes could produce a 9,6 thematic phrase) and, by a stroke of luck, spotted PATERSON’S CURSE.  A quick check in Chambers revealed that the poor Aussie, Paterson, was cursed by ‘any of various naturalized orig European herbs regarded as harmful to livestock’.

Almost there. We now had ?T?R??N to find, with DI to slot in somewhere. A bit of conjuring with the Chambers CD and hey presto, another new word for me, STERADIAN. In one evening the Listener teaches me that Aussie cows don’t thrive on mint and that ‘steradian’ is the derived SI unit of solid angle. Life will never be the same.

I thought this was a super crossword with lovely fair clues and no ludicrous cruciverbal hoops to jump through. Many thanks to Dipper.

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Listener 4096: Some Assembly Required by Mr E (or A Solver’s Introduction to Setting)

Posted by Dave Hennings on 13 August 2010

Mr E’s sixth Listener, and his second this year. His last two have been his golf score card and one with the instruction to cut part of the diagram, cut it in half and send it with the rest of the grid. As a result of these, and others, Mr E is a setter who’s puzzles I really look forward to, although one day I’m sure he will trip me up.

The preamble has no reference to clashing letters, my current bête noir, but states that most clues contain ‘what seems to be an arbitrary irregularity’. Hmmm, that sounds ominous. I may be hankering after clashes before too long.

Unfortunately (and I mean that), the challenge from Mr E didn’t last too long, and the irregularities unfolded pretty quickly. 14ac Old slave’s tongue nearly cut (4) must be good old ESNE, which here looks as though it’s trying to be a hidden word. Then 18ac Each lecturer held in care of Queen’s prison (6) looks like it’s COOLER with OL in CO plus ER, although the first O seems a bit of a mystery. A bit of a gap now, with 3dn being the next clue solved, European Union holding up half of team’s money (6) and we have EU and ELE(ven), with Bradford revealing EKUELE. So how about one word in each clue being a letter of the alphabet: O for each in 18ac, E for tongue in 14ac and K for up in 3dn? It looks promising, but this is the Listener, and I’ve still got to work out how to use this information in conjunction with two unclued entries and three normal clues. I’m sure trouble lies ahead.

4dn looks like it’ll be an anagram of Belém teams I and another letter, but a bit of doodling fails to reveal an obvious word. 8dn’s obligation must be ONUS and 28dn is ZARF, both seemingliy normal clues. So I’m guessing that they contain different letters of the alphabet. A quick count of clues, and there are 29, so how about three normal ones and 26 where one word in each is replaced by a letter of the alphabet, each being used once. Finally in my first pass through the clues, I get 29dn which is HIVE, another normal clue.

So I have six clues solved and the beginnings of the theme sorted, but no idea what to do next … except get solving! Despite knowing what I know about one word in each clue representing a single letter, some of them are reluctant to be teased out, although EMBLEMATISED/S is a good start (with help from Bradfords which has EMBLEM under Represent). I must say, however, that I thought the device great fun; does anyone know if it has been used before?

The grid is completed in a little over three hours, with some excellent clues on the way, and some nice surface readings, especically the sailors eating their rather poorly prepared tiramisu!! A minor trap is 1ac which could be either AGEE or AJEE, but is necessarily the latter in order for each letter of the alphabet to be replaced once in the clues. The next thing I do is to list all the letters of the alphabet in order against the word in the clue that they replaced. It reads gobbledygook of course, and certainly doesn’t reveal any message. Next I take the three normally clued words and read out their equivalents:

HIVE Mistakenly cite hopi tongue and we get a clue to ETHIOPIC at 5ac … excellent!
ONUS Each expert’s holding prize giving the clue to APIECE at 1dn
ZARF Grandma’s tiramisu uses wine for 30ac ASTI

Looking at the four remaining unclued entries, we have 11ac P.CKM.W (PICKMAW?), 33ac L.DYB.G (LADYBUG?), and probably ROSETTA and ILLUSTRATEDS. My guess is that the first two use the letters of the alphabet not used for the three clues already constructed.

Using our letter substitutions for P.CKM.W, we get African ? grew up getting ? area, with city (J) and dry (Q) fitting the gaps to give a clue to ROSETTA (ROSE + TT + A). L.DYB.G gives Our ? started rioting after ? publications, the final two letters (X and T) being used to fill the gaps with people and hurtful, thus giving ILLUSTRATEDS (US + anag STARTED after ILL).

So, another nice puzzle from Mr E, although not as hard as some of his other offerings, but nevertheless very entertaining. He is still high on my list of setters to look forward to.

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Some Assembly Required by Mr E

Posted by shirleycurran on 13 August 2010

I am feeling like a very small numpty indeed compared with the intellectual giant that Mr E must be. I have been attempting to work out how he compiled Some Assembly Required. Three four-letter clues had to be normal but composed of twelve of the twenty-six letters of the alphabet. Their twelve letters (HIVE, ZARF, ONUS) had to correspond with the extra letters produced by the wordplay of twelve clues. Those clues had to contain extra words that, read in, for example, ZARF order, gave ‘Grandma’s tiramisu uses wine’ – a clue for ASTI, one of the seven unclued lights. (So Mr E confirms my suspicion that there really is an oenophiliac requirement for Listener compilers!)

ONUS gave ‘Each expert’s holding prize’ (a clue for APIECE), and HIVE gave us ‘Mistakenly cite Hopi tongue’ (the clue for ETHIOPIC), leaving us with four ‘potential’ words to sort out, ILLUSTRATEDS, ROSETTA, PACKMAW and LADYBUG and twelve extra letters still to place (J,Q,T and X). We could eliminate ILLUSTRATEDS and ROSETTA at once, as they both contained checked double letters, so our culprits were L?DYB?G and P?CKM?W, and, of course, they produced just what we needed – a clue for ILLUSTRATEDS, ‘Our people started rioting after hurtful publications’ and a clue for ROSETTA, ‘African city grew up by dry area’.

Dazzlingly brilliant but where did Mr E start in the compilation? My mind simply can’t get round it. (It would be great if he honoured us with a setter’s blog!) What an injustice that a crossword compiler earns peanuts for compiling this sort of astonishing work of genius when a mindless adolescent can earn millions cavorting on a stage or kicking a ball around.

However did we solve it? The clues were superb, weren’t they? I was especially taken with the one for WALNUT (‘What could make Queen Anne cabinet reverse [hurtful] old fine’ – producing UNLAW reversed and the necessary extra letter T). The normal clues filled the grid fairly quickly and, about an hour into our solve, those telltale extra letters Z and Q turned up, (in QUIEN SABE and KRANTZ) prompting us that the extra letters were panalphabetical. Soon, we had only the unclued lights to sort out.

Doesn’t this sound easy? Of course the numpties faced problems. I had realized that the twelve letters of the normally clued answers and the words L?DYB?G and P?CKM?Q gave all of the alphabet except JQT and X, but, for nearly twenty-four hours, simply compiled random clues for the unclued lights, not recognizing the letter-to-word link (which, of course, had to be there; no doubt seasoned solvers saw it instantly) -  a real head-scratcher. For example ETHIOPIAN, in my bungling, had ‘Mistakenly Hopi cite African tongue’. Allocating all the extra words seemed to be an impossible task and there was no way to know how to place the JQX and T.

What a relief when it was finally resolved and the twenty-six extra words neatly slotted into clues! I thought Mr E’s Some Assembly Required was outstanding! I have never solved anything like it.

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Listener 4095: Atom Smasher by Llig (or 50:50-ig)

Posted by Dave Hennings on 6 August 2010

This is Llig’s 13th Listener; let’s hope it’s not unlucky for him … or me! There are misprints in down clues and 13 clashing letters. I have to confess that clashes are not my favourite grid device as they tend to addle my brain far too much. Anyway, mustn’t grumble.

My quick run through the clues is quite successful with over a dozen solved in about twenty minutes. Unfortunately, there isn’t a single clash to be seen. Luckily, SPACEMEN and GLAD in the first column should enable a few more answers to be entered here, and some (hopefully not all) will be clashes, won’t they? And so some more answers go in on the left of the grid … but still no clashes, although the Q in 2dn looks probable.

Meanwhile, the correct letters of misprintes in the down clues are far too sporadic to give anything but a small hint, starting as they do T.EL…E.. which will probably be THE LETTERS.

25ac finally resolves itself as COLLISION (COLL + IS + ON) and the central I clashes with the R of SUPERNOVA. Soon after this I get GNOMON crossing GONZO, and suss the method of resolving the clashes … wow! this is really early for me. I have I/R, C/Q and M/Z and it seems that the letters in one half of the alphabet would take preference; from the title, this is likely to be the letters N-Z.

Not that that helps much at all in completing the grid from this point on. Not to mention that some of the clues are, in my opinion, quite tricky, albeit totally fair! For example:

1ac: What may serve a dual purpose in Internet cafe (4) took me ages to get JAVA!! And I designed the Crossword Database! (OK, I didn’t use Java)
23dn: It leaps in the Lion’s tail — study African source of virus (8) with a corrected misprint giving leams!
33dn: Cloned gene finally isolated by Minister? There’s no good in it (5) where the final E of GENE is ‘isolated’ by DD (minister) less the G to give ENDED (closed not cloned).

Finally I have a completed grid, with 13 first/second half of the alphabet clashes. The message spelt out by the correct forms of misprints gives THE LETTERS A TO M ARE ERASED. I have a moment of self-doubt as I consider that the letters A-M in the entire grid should be erased. After all that would, in a somewhat sledge-hammer way, resolve the clashing letters. However, if this were the case, I think the message would read ALL LETTERS A TO M ARE ERASED or EVERY OCCURENCE OF THE LETTERS A TO M IN THE FINAL GRID ARE ERASED. No … it is just the clashes that need considering, giving the final grid below.

This puzzle proved a bit of a struggle, but was very enjoyable nonetheless. Thanks to Llig for that. As I double-check my solution, I wonder if Llig is Welsh!

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