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Translate Into Spanish by Cagey

Posted by shirleycurran on 12 Oct 2018

“Cagey”, I murmur. “We’ve been solving his in the Magpie for a few years but I believe this is his first Listener.” We print that most unusual grid and I scan the clues to see whether he merits entry to the Listener Setters’ Oenophile Outfit and I don’t have to read far: ‘Cartel’s overcharge on whole barrel (4)’ The other Numpty assures me that a BLOC is a cartel so we have BL + OC, but why is the barrel ‘whole’? Maybe that is the first of our nine extra words. Whatsoever, it certainly admits Cagey to that exclusive set of cruciverbal tipplers. A whole barrel! Cheers!

A couple of lucky early solves give us the start of our grid fill: ‘Volunteers, then I go into obsolete nick (10)’ (TA + I TURN in CLY = TACITURNLY) and ‘Founder isn’t about to utter rubbish about head of high inquisition (10)’ (INST* + UTTER* round I(nquisition) = a founder INSTITUTER) and we have a second extra word ‘high’. There is a lot more fiddling with those four-letter words (Where do we put THUS, HYPE, NEEP, SAFE, EARL and TORI?) Those are the ones that always give problems in a carte blanche grid aren’t they?

However, TORI gives us another extra ‘item’ – 180 – and we now understand why ‘item’ and not ‘word’ was used in the preamble. We have the messages ‘Moving whole columns advance 180 years’ and ‘Highlight event’.  What’s more, we have spotted that the first row of the crossword gives us SIXTEEN EIGHTY-EIGHT and the other Numpty immediately says “That’s the Glorious Revolution”. Sure enough we have a rather convoluted GLORIOUS REVOLTUION in row seven of our grid.

It is a simple sum that takes us to 1868 and we know there was a glorious revolution in Spain in that year but we were instructed to ‘Translate Into Spanish’ in the title so I waste some time attempting to find the Spanish name of that revolution, LA GLORIOSA, in the reconstituted columns that I have chopped up. I do wonder, at this point, how solvers who work from the Times newspaper version of the crossword manage these final hoops that the Listener crossword sometimes asks us to leap through.

The other Numpty is the solver, I am the grid compiler and endgame expert, and he has thrown up his arms in despair and gone to bed with ‘Energy and Empire, A biographical study of Lord Kelvin’ (yes, honestly!) leaving me to fiddle with my bits of paper.

That hint about the PACT is a great help and I soon realize that I was trying to be too clever. Cagey has simply lowered the GLORIOUS REVOLUTION down one row in his grid and, either to give us a hint that columns had to be shifted, or because it was impossible to fit the words into his original grid (the second, I imagine) put the letters in the correct order this time. I find PACT in the version I opt for and see that the hint was there as there was a potential ambiguity with the seventh and fourteenth columns both beginning with E and having U in the key position.

So I highlight the revolution with thanks to Cagey for a most enjoyable puzzle.


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‘Translate into Spanish’ by Cagey

Posted by Encota on 12 Oct 2018

I loved the endgame on this one!  The phrase hidden in the clues told us solvers to move whole columns around.  By chance I’d spotted that Row 8 was also an anagram of GLORIOUS REVOLUTION, so that simplified things a bit, to result in the year in Row 1 moving forward by 180 years.

And what a great spot that the two entirely different occurrences named the GLORIOUS REVOLUTION just happened to occur on dates that were an anagram of each other!

But perhaps that was all too obvious and we, the solvers, were being led into a trap?  Perhaps other results could be achieved in different rows by rearranging the columns into different orders …

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Here is my real attempt:

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Cheers all,

Tim / Encota

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Listener No 4521: Translate into Spanish by Cagey

Posted by Dave Hennings on 12 Oct 2018

Cagey was a new setter to me, but a check of the database revealed that there were a few Magpies to his credit. His first was a mathematical, but subsequent ones have all been word puzzles of B and C grading. What would his first Listener be like?

There were nine extra items to be removed in clues. Strangely, they were “delimited by spaces”. I assumed that one or more items would consist of two or more words. These items would give two instructions to be followed after the grid’s initial fill.

I started on the across clues but soon gave up because my brain obviously wasn’t in the right gear to solve more than a couple. Maybe Cagey would be more forgiving with the downs. Indeed he was, and SABMI, IDLE, TACITURNLY, EST and NAUNT were slotted in. 5dn Start off by appearing after scene in play — no longer heiress’s choice (6) failed me, mainly as I hdn’t heard of ESNECY (SCENE* after (b)Y) before.

So, the top left was looking good, and it seemed that 1ac, which was unclued, started SIXTEEN…. Ottorino’s Lost in Translation had told us that there were only 21 letters in the Italian alphabet. Given the title this week, it crossed my mind that Spanish might have a similarly strange number of letters. In fact, it has 27 — our 26 plus Ñ.

I guess my favourite clue was 10dn Trawler trailing frigate would catch such fish (5) which used a technique I’d not come across before where trawler after frigate would supply TETRA.

Eventually, 1ac was, with unchecked letters filled in, SIXTEEN EIGHTY EIGHT. A quick scan of Wiki for events in 1684 soon revealed GLORIOUS REVOLUTION, and we had GLORIOUS at 36ac. Moreover REVOLUTION almost followed on with 38ac REVOLT and then UION. Intriguing.

Of course, the extra words in nine clues gave us Moving whole columns, advance 180 years. Highlight event, and more Wikiness showed that there was another Glorious Revolution in 1868, this one in Spain — aha! — and resulted in the deposition of Queen Isabella II. I’m still not really sure why the “delimited by spaces” was in the preamble unless to ensure 180 was taken in full.

Careful rejigging of the columns so that 1ac read EIGHTEEN SIXTY EIGHT revealed another GLORIOUS REVOLUTION in row 8. Two columns began with an E and had a U in row 8, so the PACT in row 5 ensured a unique solution.

An entertaining and original endgame to finish with. Great fun. Thanks, Cagey.

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