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Transformers by Yorick

Posted by shirleycurran on 6 December 2019

At first sight this wasn’t too threatening, even if we saw a carte blanche and read, in that relatively succinct preamble that there would be a pair of unclued lights, clues entered in four different ways and three misprints – but that was a long, long time ago! This puzzle has taken us far longer than any other so far this year. We had cold-solved all but five of the clues when the other Numpty, after a grumpy growl, tipped his second coffee (accidentally) over his messy solution grid and stomped off to bed – well after midnight – muttering that Listener guidelines for setters tell us that no more than half the clues should require cold-solving before we get an inkling about filling our grid.

Of course, I had checked that Yorick with his first clue ‘Ethnic criminal seizing heart of Adriatic region of Italy (7)’ giving us CHIANTI, qualifies for his oenophile setter’s seat near Stratford next year. He had more alcohol, ‘Nick Nolte’s name before trendy acid/alcohol combo (5)’ where we extracted the T as an extra letter, ‘nicked’ the N and were left with OLE + IN. No wonder we got a ‘tipsy old fool’ (WIGEON) ‘Judge that is tipsy old fool (6)’ WIG + [I]E ON in that third set of clues – after mixing the Chianti and Olein! Cheers, anyway, Yorick – see you at the bar.

We realized that those three misprints were going to tell us which of our sets of clues were going to be entered with an EAST/WEST FLIP, a NORTH/SOUTH FLIP, in ROTATION or NORMALLY and I had surmised by a lucky long-shot that the first group would be normal and started to slot some of those in but I abandoned in despair with two misprints found but no idea what Dad for Bad, and heaPs for heaDs were telling us. I glanced at the Cheaters and Bleaters website and saw that one solver was announcing that he had completed the puzzle, and saying how he had appreciated it. I would have to sleep on it.

Isn’t the mind a wonderful thing! T’other Numpty woke me this morning saying “A lower case D is an east/west flip of a lower case B isn’t it? … and a D rotates a P” so set three must flip east/west and the last set rotate. We have to find a similar misprint in set one or set two and we have the mode of grid-filling.” One of our five missing clues was the SMEIK clue (My uncle lived in Arbroath and Arbroath smokies were part of my childhood but I don’t think I ever heard of the SMEIK that was used to smoke them!) Of course the misprint was there, ‘Modest enterprise by family packing preserve, as for fish in Arbroath (5)’. The KI[N] were Backing, not Packing in their SME – just the misprint we needed, so the third set had to have a north/south flip to convert a p to a b.

Home and happy! You must be joking. I seem to have a blind spot when it comes to spinning or upending letters. We were actually the test-solvers of a recent Magpie crossword that required the same and I had the solution notes but still managed to get it wrong. The normal ones were easy; thank goodness they were numerous, and the group requiring an east/west flip went in with only a little reflection but putting a north/south flip into REINS, OLEIN, FORNENST and PLEON was a real head-scratcher even when I had a mirror handy and the groups colour-coded (as in the grid I have inserted above). Of course I sent poor Mr Green a normal one but I wonder what sort of a headache marking this one will give him!

The bloggers on Big Dave’s website give stars for enjoyment and difficulty. Whilst I really admire the skill that went into the compilation of this grid, I can only give Yorick a generous ** for removing our happy solver smiles and a bulky ***** for filling half my weekend.

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Listener No 4581: Transformers by Yorick

Posted by Dave Hennings on 6 December 2019

This was Yorick’s third Listener. The previous one was over three years ago and titled PQRST?. It required us to draw a Parallelogram, Quadrilateral, Rectangle, Square and Trapezium in the grid, together with a Rhombus to finish it all off. I seem to remember that it was quite a tricky puzzle, and after reading the preamble this week, I guessed this would be as well.

There were four groups of clues, each entered in a different way as revealed by extra letters in the wordplay in one of the other groups of clues. Two entries were unclued, but analysis of the number of each length showed that they were probably one 8- and one 10-letter entry. Since all the other clue lengths agreed with what was in the grid, I thought it unlikely that letters would be added or lost. And don’t forget there would be three misprints to find which would identify the transformation for the entries in that group.

The first part of this puzzle was basically a jigsaw since the clues in each group were in alphabetic order of answers. Thus nothing could be entered into the grid. The first bit of help I got was when the extra letters in wordplay from Group 4 looked like they would be Normal. Meanwhile, Group 1 had Eas.wes..lip and would fairly obviously be East-west flip. Looking at Group 3, where I had …o…u…, I guessed that could be North-south flip, although the flip was possibly something else.

A bit later, and the remaining extra wordplay letters from Group 2 looked like being Rotation — whatever that might mean. At first, I wondered if it meant letters moving from one end of the word to the other, much like “cycling” in clueing jargon.

More cold solving followed, and with about three-quarters of the clues in the bag, I tried a grid fill. Starting with the normal entries (from Group 1), I was amazed that everything else could also go in somewhere, albeit back-to-front or upside-down. Group 2 looked as though it was the east-west flipping group, but both CHOICE and HEATED only fitted by being inverted. But that couldn’t be right since FORNENST had to be one of the four 8-letter across entries.

However, the gaps in my answers could now be finished off. This enabled HO.T.TOIT in the first column to become HOITY-TOITY, and Yorick’s cunning plan suddenly revealed itself to me. Flipping applied to both across and down entries, such that east-west flipped down entries were flipped about their vertical centre, and north-south flipping was about each entry’s horizontal centre. Thus HOITY-TOITY could be flipped about its vertical axis and could also be a member of the normal group. Likewise, the top row had BEDOCKED, flippable north-south, not BEDUCKED which couldn’t also belong to the normal group.

And rotation meant each entry had to be rotated 180°!

All this meant that some letters like H and O could be flipped or rotated unchanged, whereas A flipped horizontally unchanged, but vertically or rotationally became inverted. But which group was which? Well, despite the first misprint I identified changed packing to backing in the last Group 2 clue, that wasn’t the east-west flipped group. No — the p↔b hinted at inversion. In Group 3, bad for dad gave east-west flipping (b↔d), and heads for heaps in Group 4 identified the rotational group (p↔d).

That was the easy part! Ensuring that I got all the flipping and rotating correct took almost as long. [Hyperbole! Ed.] Actually, it wasn’t too tricky — rotating the grid enabled those entries to be checked and looking through the grid from the back enabled the others to be checked, one with rotation, one not. I also made sure that my Ys were symmetrical. All in all, another week when St Albans had a tricky checking week!

A wonderfully inventive and entertaining puzzle. Thanks, Yorick.

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‘Transformers’ by Yorick

Posted by Encota on 6 December 2019

Blimey! Not only were the Clues in Yorick’s puzzle very challenging – nearer the end I was solving at around 1 per hour! – but the entry technique was sneakily tricky – at least for this solver!! This must have been one of the hardest puzzles of the year as I don’t remember when I was last still finishing off the puzzle on the Monday morning!

You may well know the sort of progress – the sort when you’ve solved, say, 25 out of 40 of the clues and even have most of the hints for the endgame guessable – but have little idea what to do next! The swapped-around hints appeared to read:

  • ROTAT…

… with a few other gaps here and there. It was interpreting these that I had trouble with! I initially assumed that E-W meant enter the answers from right to left, and that N-S meant enter one Group of answers up the page. How wrong I was!!

I had drawn myself a little table, with Groups 1 to 4 across the top and the list of four techniques (above) down the side. And started to try and eliminate which couldn’t be which – Group 4 can’t be ‘NORMAL’ entries, as the word NORMAL came from that Group’s hidden word, that sort of thing. My next step was the one that wasted me a day! I noticed that 3- and 8- letter entries could only go in Across positions in the Grid. So, I thought, surely any Group containing any (3) or (8) length clues cannot have a NORTH-SOUTH FLIP applied to them ‘as a whole’ (as the Preamble states), since surely N-S FLIP can only apply to Down entries? Can’t it??

This soon led to a contradiction whose details I won’t bore you with (LIONS and RHINO appeared to have to be entered vertically but they couldn’t fit) – and so I was stuck!

I next tried swapping all Ns for Ss (and v.v) in what seemed to be an appropriate group before entering the results – but that went nowhere, too!

Eventually I re-started the Gridfill by assuming Group 1 were to be entered Normally and tried some interesting jigsawing of them until the gaps left looked a bit like some of the other Groups’ words. Those finally slotted in – but what now?

I had already found two of the Misprints and was trying to interpret them. My initial assumption: ‘bad’ in Group 3 looks like a possible Anagram Indicator, ‘backing’ in Group 2 looks like an ‘Across’ Reversal Indicator – all fell apart when ‘heads’ appeared in Group 4. I tried hard to interpret that as a ‘Down clue’ Reversal Indicator but (luckily) couldn’t convince myself. So what now?

I then wrote out the letter-specific changes from the three Misprints:

  • p becomes b
  • d becomes b
  • p becomes d

Those looked more interesting! The first could be achieved with a N-S Flip, the second with an E-W flip, and the last with a Rotation. Aha!

I did wonder if all entries needed to be in lower case, given the transformations above, but found that fell apart when an N flipped N-S had to look the same as an N flipped E-W (e.g. where SENNIT meets REINS in the bottom left hand corner). So capitals it must be.

As I type this it’s now Monday morning and for perhaps only the third time this year I’ll have to put a First Class stamp on my combined (here 4581 + 4580) entry to ensure it gets to JEG in good time for Thursday – and keep the faith with the Postal Service, of course!

My thanks go to Yorick for what must be one of the most challenging puzzles of the year! And I wish John Green the very best of luck with marking all those transposed characters!!

Tim / Encota


I only noticed (on the Tuesday after) that the paper copy of The Times on Saturday (in the UK at least) came with a ’tracing paper’-based ad for a new VW on the outer cover.  Clearly this was planned all along – and almost certainly commissioned – by Yorick and the Listener editors, as an essential tool for the Solve.  Thus could we draw the puzzle Grid on it, then enter Group 1 from the front the Right Way Up, two Groups from the back of the tracing paper (including one of those inverted), and finally Group 4 from the front again, this time with the Tracing Paper upside down.
Unfortunately I only realised this after I had finished solving it – this could have saved me hours!  I even missed the hint for the alternative clue for VIEW in Group 3:  “VW surrounding – that’s a thought” So obvious after the event …
Or maybe not 😉

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PQRST by Yorick

Posted by shirleycurran on 15 September 2017

The preamble told us there were three different types of clues; normal ones which would be involved in clashes, ‘most’ other ones that would have a misprint in the definition part and the remaining ones where the grid entry (given by wordplay) would have a wrong letter. That last one is an original device (and it led me to a truly Numptyish grid stare at the end, as I was stupidly attempting to make those letters spell the ‘further item’. Read the preamble! It clearly said ‘the correct letters can form the name of a further item and, of course, that RHOMBUS was a clanging penny drop moment.

First, of course, I had to confirm that Yorick retains his place in the Listener Setters’ Toping Society and, of course, he does with ‘Experts at making safe highballs and methaqualone (9, two words)’ “They are BOMBS”, said the other Numpty and he checked that ‘methaqualone’ in the Big Red Book is QUAD, so producing BOMBSQUAD. This was followed by ‘Regular drinks forgotten as America leads (6)’ We’re heading for the USA tomorrow and our USUALS there seem to be Starbucks’ coffees but ‘usuals’ are regular drinks in the pub in BRB and there is that forgotten old Germanic word ALS for ‘as’ so we had found one of the clues where the wordplay gave USAALS but the definition gave something different. So with highballs and the usuals, cheers, Yorick.

We didn’t find solving easy at all as this was very subtle cluing and a number of the words were new to us: MANDIRA, CLAES, UMBONAL, RALLIDAE, STEWCANS, FADIER and LATERIGRADE, for example, and I didn’t know that a jargon was another name for a ZIRCON, ‘Page one may be jargon, changing atmospheric treatment’s start to literary opposite extreme (6)’ No, this was  definitely not one of the relatively easy crosswords to encourage Listener newcomers. We had AGUIZE in place already and the Z?RCON, so this was likely to be ZIRCON but we had to work backwards. We needed an L corrected misprint (as B?ANKS was already in place) so we were probably looking for a PALE ‘zircon’ and, sure enough, the BRB told me that jargoon or jargon was just that. Of course, we had to work out the exact wordplay of every clue to check that one of those ‘wrong’ letters wasn’t there so we teased out AIR-CON with the A changing to the other alphabetic extreme, Z.

With just a break for dinner and rather a long struggle getting the computer to print the entire puzzle, which had not only arrived late but also somewhat truncated, it was late evening before we had a full grid and the message DRAW FIVE SHAPES THROUGH NAMES AND BLANKS. I needed a clue as my extra item seemed to be ASMDDAO. A little voice said “Read the preamble” and, of  course there it was. The CORRECT letters of the wrong wordplay entry. BSUORHM immediately gave me RHOMBUS and the light dawned.


Mad March(esa) MARA

relevant title) then had to think about that RHOMBUS . My first attempt was too small (I wonder how strict the marker will be!) and the other Numpty drew one for me that would fulfil the requirement (equal and parallel sides with an area equivalent to twenty cells. It just fitted nicely into the space left by the other shapes. Many thanks to Yorick for the challenge; there was so much in this impressive compilation.

The HARE? – ‘March'(ESA) was a big hint but it was a MARA this week mischievously hiding behind that rhombus – a  Mad March Mara.

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Listener No 4465: PQRST? by Yorick

Posted by Dave Hennings on 15 September 2017

Nearly two years since Yorick’s first Listener (No 4370, Hefbeet) with its pangrammatical substitutions. This week, clashes to be left blank initially, misprints in the definition spelling out an instruction, and the remainder where the grid entry had a wrong letter. Lots to try and separate here.

I wondered if the title was a hint at the letters that it didn’t contain, like H2O. I googled UtoZ and was pleased to find that it was an alcoholic beverage from Star Wars. Water and alcohol, eh — what about AtoG? Apparently they are “small creatures known for their insatiable appetites and unusual diets”. I knew that trying to analyse a puzzle’s title too soon was a mistake.

I found this puzzle about as tricky as Hefbeet, ie quite. The bottom left quadrant came together first, with the exception of 39dn. That was followed by the top right and then the top left. Progress on the bottom right was hindered by my entering BEDROOM, instead of LEGROOM, for 45ac Make fast, posh girl go over sitter’s space (7), thinking that a deb was a posh girl.

That said, the top left also gave me a headache. I had SEA SALT and BASIS clashing with OBIA at 4dn Charms ending in many complaints (4). I had it in my head that obia was the plural of obi, not just an alternative spelling, and that the complaints were all the phobias people have! It turned out to be OBIS entered as OSIS (as in thrombosis. I also failed to notice that I still had LEAO at 38dn instead of LEAH.

All this meant that I only had SOMUR as the letters of the thematic item that we had to draw. The instruction spelt out by the correct letters of the misprints was Draw five shapes through names and blanks, so careful examination of the remaining clues and entries revealed my mistakes, and RHOMBUS was finally teased out.

There were some fine clues in this puzzle. My favourites were 17ac Even in old Lincoln, say Low Latin parts (5) for ALL-BE — LL in ABE; 5dn Peruvian lady might be one step ahead of El Salvador associate (8) with Peruvian being the misprint for Perugian — MARCH (step) in front of ES (El Salvador) A (associate); and absolute favourite 42ac From the city of Paris, the king’s won back secure independence (5) where the definition was From the city of Paris, the king’s son with just back nail independence being the wordplay!

The last clue I cracked was 24ac M4, perhaps, which if moving east to west would turn into attention test (6) for which I had IRTERS. Of course, one or more had to be a clash, but it still took me ages to suss ARTERY (EAR TRY if the E moves to the left). [Don’t you live just a couple of miles from the M4? Ed.]

So the grid was completed, and the letters in the title soon led me to the Q in column 1 which SQUARE could include. It didn’t take long to find the other four-sided figures spelt out in the grid: PARALLOGRAM, QUADRILATERAL, RECTANGLE, and TRAPEZIUM. Brilliant!

All that was left was to draw a rhombus so that it was separate from all the other figures that I had drawn. Well, the area of a rhombus is base × height and we were told it had to be “an area equivalent to 20 cells”. 5 wide and 4 tall would enable two right-angled triangles of size 3, 4 and 5 on either side of a 4×2 block to give the required area. The only place this would fit started in the top left square.

How satisfying all this was, and how impressive the finished diagram appeared. Many thanks for a fine puzzle, Yorick. More, please.

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