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Disorderly Conduct by Colleague

Posted by shirleycurran on 17 May 2024

There’s a pleased murmur when we see just over three lines of preamble. We are going to look for five surnames, two not in their commonly recognised form, 33 cells in all, and will highlight 18 cells that cryptically represent, in a straight line, each of two statements.

As usual, he solves while I make a Crossword Compiler grid and scan the clues to confirm that Colleague retains his Listener Setter Oeophile admission ticket. Of course, he does! ‘Canned fish rolling in fermented beer (7)’ (What a fine set of evocative clues Colleague produced!) Colleague is canned to start off and we ‘ferment’ that beer to produce EBRIATE, and immediately find ‘Easily influenced, praying to give up drink and coke (6)’ Tough that one: we decide SUPPLICANT has to abandon the SUP and C to give us PLIANT. Now he’s ‘Jerry on the wagon left last drop of all – once roughly four pints (6)’ Another amusing one – we opt for PO + TT + L + E and find that a POTTLE was roughly half a gallon. What can I say? “Cheers, Colleague”.

A fairly speedy gridfill with some intriguing names appearing. GRIEG, HOLST? We see BARTHOLOMEW down the leading diagonal and GODARD and there’s some frustrated head-scratching, with PREVIEW suggesting that maybe we have the ‘RIGHT NOTES BUT NOT NECESSARILY IN THE RIGHT ORDER’ with ETON/S as a fine red herring in the top right, until we see that there’s a ‘disorderly conduct’ of ‘the right notes’ in the ninth row: NIGHEST/HOTTER. So Grieg, Preview and Bartholomew give us three surnames (Bartholomew was Morecambe, wasn’t he?) We look for WISE and there are some hopeful letters at the end of REVIEWS – another red herring!

What did Godard say about films? ‘They have to have a beginning, a middle and an end but not necessarily in that order’, and there is a ‘disorderly MOESVI’ crossing the jumbled right notes, so we have our 18 cells to highlight. We are still lacking five cells of those 33. Who did Godard say it to? FRANJU! Those odd solutions, BIAFRAN and JUBA should have prompted us to look there. Good fun, thanks, Colleague.

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Listener 4812: Six Seconds by Kruger

Posted by vaganslistener on 10 May 2024

Listener 4812: Six Seconds by Kruger

Jigsaw time. I always ask myself why the device is being used. (Simply to make things difficult is, in Listener language, deprecated.) It often suggests that something is going on in the grid that the setter wants us to discover later rather than earlier, and which e.g. mapping out the clues and lengths straight away and revealing the unclued lights and their treatment (as here) would identify too early.

In such circumstances, and with no give-aways in the preamble or title, the only thing to do is to crack on and solve a wadge of clues, and then see if you have enough to start filling the grid. Usually a focus on the longer clues (fewer of them and more intersections) and how they fit together or with some other clues gets me started, with say a quarter of the clues solved, sometimes half: here it was nearer three-quarters before I had enough to see the two seven-letter clues beginning with P, which with a little trial and error opened up the SW corner and soon the rest of the grid.

The clues were good but tricky. I’d never heard for instance of 1a CANAPE as a bidding system and spent a long time trying to make something based on ACOL fit. The wordplay for 23a LACTIC still hasn’t clicked as I type this, but happily it only has one unch… 

So with the grid nearly full, what of the six special lights? By now I also had the message that told me to enter the second name of the 29th President of the USA below the grid, the wonderful and unexpected GAMALIEL, so it was off to Wikipedia for a helpful page that listed presidents’ second names, bizarrely in the context of a vote as to which was the prettiest (tell me it could only happen in America…) and (with the penny dropping about the cell numbers) QUINCY, KNOX, ABRAM, BIRCHARD and WALKER were soon filled in; which left 33a, which was all blank (at least that’s how I resolved the entries that were shorter than their lights). So what to put in 33a?

President 33 was Harry S. Truman (despite argument to the contrary and the Listener Notes I believe he did use the stop) and the S was given (according to that hyper-accurate source of information Wikipedia) to commemorate both is grandfathers Anderson Shipp Truman and Solomon Young, and the one letter did duty for both. commemorate both his grandfathers Anderson Shipp Truman and Solomon Young, one letter doing duty for both. 

NB this was not the same for Ulysses S. Grant who was born Hiram Ulysses Grant, known as Ulysses, but had his name was submitted wrongly when he applied to West Point. (Since U.S. also = “Uncle Sam” he was then nicknamed Sam; of course.)

In his case the S. really did stand for nothing (so if he was the subject the initial could be expanded and the light could fairly be completed with nothing I suppose), but can the same be said of Truman? We can’t write an essay about his grandparents into the spaces. And we certainly can’t put S in the first (unched) square, since that messes up the Scrabble count (which has the feel of an editorial afterthought). We can though put in a S to complete EREMITE, leaving the other spaces blank.

But should we? It’s not exactly completing the entry, and we are told that six unclued entries should be so completed. (And I can’t accept that the name below the grid is an unclued entry.) Or should we just leave the whole light blank? But that doesn’t feel as if it is completing the entry either. On the other hand any entry is going to have at least one blank square in it (the first) because of the Scrabble count. So we are going to have unsignalled blanks whatever happens (shades of last week’s puzzle).

Frankly I think this one can be legitimately argued either way, depending on whether you say that his middle name was deliberately left as S so it could be ambiguous so S is complete and we fit it in where we can leaving real words (another unsignalled requirement if so), or say that the S stood for nothing (“had no real middle name”)* so nothing is what goes in.

Is the Scrabble count device is there precisely to stop us putting S in the first place (with the assumption that no sensible person would put it anywhere else) and so nothing is needed, or is it doing that to steer us towards putting the S in the sensible place below EREMITE?

I’m finding this one impossible to call. I’ve changed my mind more than once as you can see from my grid, but landed on blanks in the end. I’ll never get an all correct so only pride is at stake, but I do hope Kruger gives us a setter’s blog and the editors justify their marking scheme. As I see there is enough ambiguity to let both solutions stand, but I am happy to be proved wrong.

*which is what the printed solution and notes voted for

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Kruger Six Seconds

Posted by shirleycurran on 10 May 2024

We read the preamble with a hint of dismay. This isn’t quite a carte blanche, since there are numbers in the grid and we understand that they have a double purpose. We have to put the extra letters into ‘normal grid order’ in order to learn what ‘extra item’ must be entered below the grid. In addition, there will be six ‘unclued entries’ that must be completed according to their entry numbers. Kruger hasn’t finished, he gives us the sum of 28 Scrabble letters to count in the unchecked cells of what we will be entering in the unclued lights. Now that is original and a warning light goes on. We tend to ignore those messages that tell us something like GREY CAT BOUGHT CHAMBERS – rarely anything coherent or valuable – but there must be a reason for the 28.

Solving goes quite well and we soon have all but three of the solutions, though, frankly I struggle to admit Kruger into the Elite Listener Setters Oenophiles – he sneaks in with his ‘During most of month, seeks out fun times in Chamonix? (8)’ We put together APRI and SEEKS*, extracting one of the Es to give APRES SKI – plenty of glasses raised there, so “Cheers Kruger anyway!”

In ‘carte blanche’ situations like this, I wait for a K, or a B, a Q or a V to start the grid fill but STREAK, KADE, AVENUE, AVATAR, ABOARD, TSABIAN, PERIBLEM all refuse to perform. NAVY and NAVAIDS will intersect but we have almost completed a cold solve before GAIA opens up the lower left corner and we laboriously complete – or almost complete – our grid with some rather curious omissions: KNO?, ?ALKE?, BI?CH?RD, AB?AM, and ?UINC? and a peculiar set of four empty letters where we have to enter EREMITE?, AB?OARD and COL?LEGE. Even then light doesn’t dawn until we put our answers into grid order and spell out SECOND NAME OF THE TWENTY-NINTH PRESIDENT OF THE USA.

Wiki tells us he was Warren Gamaliel Harding so light dawns and his name goes under the grid. We need Wiki to give us those second names of the 6th, 11th, 19th, 20th and 43rd presidents too and the 33rd produces a smile. At first we decide we should give Harry S. Truman an S but then the sum of the Scrabble values would be 29:

R+A+B+Q+Y+X+E = 1+1+3+10+4+8+1 = 28

We learn that S was not his second name; it was just a letter to honor his grandparents. I wonder how many solvers will put that S into the unch! (Sneaky?)

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Listener 4812 Six Seconds by Kruger

Posted by gillwinchcombe on 10 May 2024

What an interesting set of second names!

Thank you for ECZEMA in a manner of speaking – I love cartes blanches but was rather thrown by the lack of a long word, until ECZEMA popped out and enabled me to get started on the gridfill.

I almost fell into the usual elephant traps: seeing MEDLAR at 29dn it seemed reasonable that 6dn would be QUINCE, but more seriously I was itching to put S in the cell marked 33ac, saved only by the Scrabble count. I thought S was Truman’s middle name, but bow to your (or the editors’) superior knowledge.

Very enjoyable thanks, and I’ve learned some new information about those in charge across the pond (things aren’t what they used to be … or reading about some of them, perhaps they are!).

No completed grid this time either, it went into the envelope with 4811 and was posted before I remembered to scan it!

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Listener No 4811: “Southern Course” by Seps

Posted by Dave Hennings on 3 May 2024

Seps is a relative newcomer to Listener world. Indeed his first outing here was just after Christmas last year, an uncommonly short time between puzzles. That puzzle (no. 4796, Delay Repay) was based on the betting con. in the 1973 film, The Sting. Even though I’m a keen golfer, it didn’t register that this week’s title would have a golfing connection… even though the puzzle appeared on the Saturday of Masters week. [That’s one of the four Majors for those of you who are not golfers. Ed.]

Here we had most clues with misprints in the definition and then a lot of endgame jiggery-pokery some way down the line. The golfing theme soon became obvious with 1ac mentioning Augusta, 6ac Seve (Ballesteros) and 13ac (Jack) Nicklaus. (Ian) Woosnam, Sandy (Lyle) and Nick (Faldo) represented Britain further on.

Needless to say, I had great fun disentangling the golfers from crossword clues, although it was by no means straightforward. The corrected misprints were to reveal a description and a phrase from a quotation. These were Famously shot an albatross and Stoppeth one of three. The latter I knew to be from Coleridge’s The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, but I needed Golfipedia to reveal that it was Gene Sarazen who “famously” scored the first albatross in the Masters in 1935 on the 15th hole. It would be another 32 years before the next.

It didn’t take long to see GENE SARAZEN in rows 7 and 8 of the grid and that changing 6 letters would give ANCIENT MARINER who also shot an albatross. Finally, we had to change three entries to “reveal a group and highlight a representation of a thematic alternative”. Knocking out the third letter in each of three down clues (MOUNT, PYOT, HORN) revealed MONTY PYTHON at the top of the last two columns.

Ok, so I may not have been around for Sarazen’s albatross, nor indeed for the first edition of Coleridge’s poem, but I do remember the Monty Python sketch where the cinema interval sales ”lady” sold sea birds rather than ice cream! I also remember an alternative, or at least I thought I did, and spent a few minutes looking for a stormy petrel on a stick! This was in fact an alternative alternative to the GANNET in column 1.

Thanks, Seps, for helping me enjoy some golf from the comfort of my armchair, especially since the weather has been pretty miserable of late.

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