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Listener 4810 Cognitive Dissidence by Vagans

Posted by gillwinchcombe on 26 Apr 2024

Well, Cognitive Dissidence certainly passed mustard for its gelasticity and for peaking my interest with its worldwind tour of eggcorns. I hope it receives its just desserts.

Vagans, I salute your cheek in not only choosing a theme that doesn’t appear in Chambers, but then giving yourself free reign to choose answers in any language that can be written or (presumably) transcribed in Latin script by the simple artifice of naming the language and gender and leaving the solver to make the translation (29ac GATEE for spoilt). Jar-dropping respect!

Superfluous words and letters were cunningly hidden. A quick glance at 27ac yielded N from within “on lobe” reversed, instead of E from O (on) LOB (all reversed). But the one that took some hunting was in 1ac (Deep sea swimmer) – had I not finically matched new words with their definitions I wouldn’t have realised that “sea” was not extra word and BASS needed to become BASE.

My appetite is fully wetted; I wait with baited breath for your next one

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Cognitive Dissidence by Vagans

Posted by shirleycurran on 26 Apr 2024

This is Vagans’ third Listener crossword and he appears regularly in the other thematic cryptic crosswords, the Magpie, IQ and EV, so we are troubled to learn in the preramble that he is suffering from ‘cognitive dissidence’. Cognitive WHAT? We read on and suspect that we are ‘having the monkey’ taken. Is the puzzle ripe (or rife) with clues whose answers have been affected … Do we have to ‘pass mustard’ … ‘tow the line …’? We are smiling before we even begin solving.

So we mix the G & Ts – ah the alcohol. Well we shared a bottle with Vagans at the Listener Setters’ Dinner less than a month ago, so I don’t really need to check that he qualifies for the Elite Oenophiles, but of course he does, ‘Spirit takes hold to start batting (4, two words)’. GO IN, we decide, but it is not easy to understand that wordplay until we have extracted an H as an extra letter (ultimately we opt for TO THE MANNER BORN – as HAMLET claimed he was in his discussion with Horatio of the excessive drinking habits of the Danish court – that comes out of those extra letters and – we know that Hamlet was not ‘To the manor born’) So we are left with (h)Old = O going into the GIN. Vagans also gives us ‘Finn concerned with Gabon’s purification process (6)’ An N came out of that to give us FIN IN G – Fining? That’s purefying and clarifying wine isn’t it? Cheese, Vagans! – Sorry “Cheers!”

There is a lot going on here! The preamble gave us a generous hint or two that we are going to misuse words in ways they are commonly misused (EGGCORNS for ACORNS the ODE tells us) and the comical errors fall thick and farced. Soon we have BASE/BASS, BOWL/BULL (what a fine triple definition clue ‘Papal’ editor’s male nonsense’) GAMBIT/GAMUT, CHEESE/CHASE, MUTE/MOOT, PAIL/PALE, BOLD/BALD, LAME/LAY, URGE/ERR, BEAR/BARE, WHIM/WING and GOAL/GOLD. I am reminded of a headmaster I worked with who used to insist that we had to ‘diffuse’ the issue that was about to confront us.

We still have all those extra words in other clues to find to confirm that we have spotted those eggcorns appropriately. Some leap out: Ploy for GAMBIT, Silent for MUTE, Hobbling for LAME, Can for PAIL, Fancy for WHIM, Dish for BOWL, Brave for BOLD, Teddy for BEAR, Encourage for URGE, but Counterfeit for DISH is tough to find and we are surprised by Fizzer for CHEESE (O.K. the fizzer, the Big Cheese – that’s a really obscure one).

We find EGGCORN in the ODE and in our grid. ‘A linguistic error in which part of a common expression is replaced by a similar-sounding word that the speaker believes to be both correct and logical, like ‘tow the line’, for ‘toe the line’. Nice one Vagans – good fun!

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Listener No 4809, “Some Conceit”: A Setter’s Blog by Vainglorious

Posted by Listen With Others on 21 Apr 2024

Just after Christmas 2022, and when the big retail outlets had reprised their rather inappropriate custom of putting Cadbury’s Creme Eggs and other Easter goodies out on their shelves, I decided to try my hand at setting a Listener Crossword to appear in early April 2023 — and when Creme Eggs really should continue to be on sale, which they generally are not.

As appears to be a generational character flaw in my family, I had failed to read properly the instructions for prospective setters and, for some reason, I thought that a lead time of 3 months was what the vetters required. In much the same way that my father’s self-assembled aluminium and glass greenhouse kit didn’t turn out to be quite square in places (thus allowing more access than recommended to the elements) and was eventually flattened by a storm, my first completed attempt at a Listener towards the end of January thus arrived far too late to be considered for publication at Easter 2023 as I had hoped.

“Some Conceit” is a title that has apparently baffled a number of solvers, and this is perhaps understandable since it was Samuel Johnson who disliked the ‘conceits’ used by metaphysical poets, complaining that their poetry “stood the trial of the finger better than of the ear”. He went on to write that: “The most heterogeneous ideas are yoked by violence together; nature and art are ransacked for illustrations, comparisons and allusions: their learning instructs and their subtlety surprises: but the reader commonly thinks his improvement dearly bought, and, though he sometimes admires, is seldom pleased. […] Yet great labour, directed by great abilities, is never wholly lost: if they frequently threw away their wit upon false conceits, they likewise sometimes struck out unexpected truth: if their conceits were far-fetched, they were often worth the carriage.

I cannot recall exactly how the idea of cramming lines of poetry into the shape of a cross came to me: but, as a singer for most of my life, I have often performed George Herbert’s “Easter” (which Shirley Curran of Chalicea fame tells me was originally called “Easter- wings”), set to music by Ralph Vaughan Williams; so I had the lyrics and the shape was pertinent to them. With hindsight, perhaps the horizontal beam might have been a row higher, but I had done most of the spadework by the time that that became obvious; and the word ‘LORD’ appeared in the right place to help solvers puzzled by the endgame, so I left it where it was.

The difficulty as I remember it, was sorting out columns 5 to 8 so that the jumbled words worked and the shortened rows contained the right letters if not necessarily in the right order (as Eric Morecambe once said). I also needed to be sure that there were very few unches in the middle square of 16 letters where the down entries intersected those across to create a centre of uncertainty. Finally, more by luck than good planning, all three four-letter words that populated the vertical part of the cross remained intact so that solvers could be sure that they had the right lines of the poem — albeit in its original published form.

Among the clues that I particularly liked, the identification of SHINING as STEPHEN KING IS minus KEEPS (with T as the extra letter) was pleasing; and I hoped that the reference to Holyrood in a Scottish clue would also serve as a cryptic pointer to the puzzle’s shape and theme. 

So, while the first of my published efforts was “No Time To Die” (#4791) last November, “Some Conceit” was the first that I completed and submitted: and the cause for a second time of great pleasure — while recognising how privileged I am — to see it in print.

As ever, my thanks go to Roger, Shane and John (the triumvirate of titans), and my brother, Richard, for solving the prototype which required some adjustment in accordance with his helpful comments.

Vainglorious
18th April 2024

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Listener 4809: Some Conceit by Vainglorious

Posted by vaganslistener on 19 Apr 2024

I usually get some sense of where a crossword is heading, but this time I failed to read “Conceit” as referring to metaphysical poetry, so it was a beautiful surprise to discover that the endgame produced lines from George Herbert’s poem Easter laid out in the shape of a cross. Here’s the whole piece:

Now I could see why Chalicea’s Easter puzzle came a week early: hers asked a question, Vainglorious and Herbert venture an answer. It wasn’t an easy solve though. I can’t put my finger on why, though jumbles always slow things down. Perhaps it was because the compiler, while not writing hard clues per se, avoids clichés and keep us o our toes. The message too to REORDER LETTERS FORMING SHAPE OF CROSS EASTER BY HERBERT was plain enough but took time to resolve. All rather like metaphysical poetry really – an intriguiging blend of plain and wrought, attentive to both word and shape.

And of course Herbert is magnificent, and I say that as the incoming chair of the Traherne Association.  Thanks for the reminder, Vainglorious, and a retrospective Happy Easter to all.

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Listener 4809 Some Conceit by Vainglorious

Posted by gillwinchcombe on 19 Apr 2024

“Thy Lord is risen” – thanks Vainglorious for this apposite and uplifting quote, a refreshing change from some of the darker themes of late.

For me, Some Conceit got the difficulty level just right. The clues were solvable with concentration, the message emerged at a helpful rate, and the endplay turned out to be easier than I thought it would. A good solve!

The clue that made me smile most was 17ac HAIRDO, Try to accept Independence Party style. I particularly enjoy the challenge of this “cut and shut” type of clue, where you, the setter, bamboozle the solver by forming a commonplace phrase from what turn out to be 2 unrelated words that have to be prised apart by the solver. Unlike an unscrupulous car dealer though, what you’re doing is fair, not fraudulent.

I’m still mulling over 24ac PAIRWISE and the title. I will get there!

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