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Listener No 4812, “Six Seconds”: A Setter’s Blog by Kruger

Posted by Listen With Others on 12 May 2024

This puzzle was set several years ago and sat in my “ready to submit” box for a couple of years while I decided what exactly to do with it. Then, just as I was about to submit it, another puzzle was published with a very similar theme. So my puzzle had to go back in the box for a number of years until the idea had become lost, or at least very vague, in solvers’ memories. Then after submission, it was in the Listener queue for very nearly two years before being accepted and published.

So, the truth is, I cannot remember much if anything about my thought processes that went into compiling it.

Kruger.

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Listener 4812: Six Seconds by Kruger

Posted by vaganslistener on 10 May 2024

Listener 4812: Six Seconds by Kruger

Jigsaw time. I always ask myself why the device is being used. (Simply to make things difficult is, in Listener language, deprecated.) It often suggests that something is going on in the grid that the setter wants us to discover later rather than earlier, and which e.g. mapping out the clues and lengths straight away and revealing the unclued lights and their treatment (as here) would identify too early.

In such circumstances, and with no give-aways in the preamble or title, the only thing to do is to crack on and solve a wadge of clues, and then see if you have enough to start filling the grid. Usually a focus on the longer clues (fewer of them and more intersections) and how they fit together or with some other clues gets me started, with say a quarter of the clues solved, sometimes half: here it was nearer three-quarters before I had enough to see the two seven-letter clues beginning with P, which with a little trial and error opened up the SW corner and soon the rest of the grid.

The clues were good but tricky. I’d never heard for instance of 1a CANAPE as a bidding system and spent a long time trying to make something based on ACOL fit. The wordplay for 23a LACTIC still hasn’t clicked as I type this, but happily it only has one unch… 

So with the grid nearly full, what of the six special lights? By now I also had the message that told me to enter the second name of the 29th President of the USA below the grid, the wonderful and unexpected GAMALIEL, so it was off to Wikipedia for a helpful page that listed presidents’ second names, bizarrely in the context of a vote as to which was the prettiest (tell me it could only happen in America…) and (with the penny dropping about the cell numbers) QUINCY, KNOX, ABRAM, BIRCHARD and WALKER were soon filled in; which left 33a, which was all blank (at least that’s how I resolved the entries that were shorter than their lights). So what to put in 33a?

President 33 was Harry S. Truman (despite argument to the contrary and the Listener Notes I believe he did use the stop) and the S was given (according to that hyper-accurate source of information Wikipedia) to commemorate both is grandfathers Anderson Shipp Truman and Solomon Young, and the one letter did duty for both. commemorate both his grandfathers Anderson Shipp Truman and Solomon Young, one letter doing duty for both. 

NB this was not the same for Ulysses S. Grant who was born Hiram Ulysses Grant, known as Ulysses, but had his name was submitted wrongly when he applied to West Point. (Since U.S. also = “Uncle Sam” he was then nicknamed Sam; of course.)

In his case the S. really did stand for nothing (so if he was the subject the initial could be expanded and the light could fairly be completed with nothing I suppose), but can the same be said of Truman? We can’t write an essay about his grandparents into the spaces. And we certainly can’t put S in the first (unched) square, since that messes up the Scrabble count (which has the feel of an editorial afterthought). We can though put in a S to complete EREMITE, leaving the other spaces blank.

But should we? It’s not exactly completing the entry, and we are told that six unclued entries should be so completed. (And I can’t accept that the name below the grid is an unclued entry.) Or should we just leave the whole light blank? But that doesn’t feel as if it is completing the entry either. On the other hand any entry is going to have at least one blank square in it (the first) because of the Scrabble count. So we are going to have unsignalled blanks whatever happens (shades of last week’s puzzle).

Frankly I think this one can be legitimately argued either way, depending on whether you say that his middle name was deliberately left as S so it could be ambiguous so S is complete and we fit it in where we can leaving real words (another unsignalled requirement if so), or say that the S stood for nothing (“had no real middle name”)* so nothing is what goes in.

Is the Scrabble count device is there precisely to stop us putting S in the first place (with the assumption that no sensible person would put it anywhere else) and so nothing is needed, or is it doing that to steer us towards putting the S in the sensible place below EREMITE?

I’m finding this one impossible to call. I’ve changed my mind more than once as you can see from my grid, but landed on blanks in the end. I’ll never get an all correct so only pride is at stake, but I do hope Kruger gives us a setter’s blog and the editors justify their marking scheme. As I see there is enough ambiguity to let both solutions stand, but I am happy to be proved wrong.

*which is what the printed solution and notes voted for

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Listener 4812 Six Seconds by Kruger

Posted by gillwinchcombe on 10 May 2024

What an interesting set of second names!

Thank you for ECZEMA in a manner of speaking – I love cartes blanches but was rather thrown by the lack of a long word, until ECZEMA popped out and enabled me to get started on the gridfill.

I almost fell into the usual elephant traps: seeing MEDLAR at 29dn it seemed reasonable that 6dn would be QUINCE, but more seriously I was itching to put S in the cell marked 33ac, saved only by the Scrabble count. I thought S was Truman’s middle name, but bow to your (or the editors’) superior knowledge.

Very enjoyable thanks, and I’ve learned some new information about those in charge across the pond (things aren’t what they used to be … or reading about some of them, perhaps they are!).

No completed grid this time either, it went into the envelope with 4811 and was posted before I remembered to scan it!

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Kruger Six Seconds

Posted by shirleycurran on 10 May 2024

We read the preamble with a hint of dismay. This isn’t quite a carte blanche, since there are numbers in the grid and we understand that they have a double purpose. We have to put the extra letters into ‘normal grid order’ in order to learn what ‘extra item’ must be entered below the grid. In addition, there will be six ‘unclued entries’ that must be completed according to their entry numbers. Kruger hasn’t finished, he gives us the sum of 28 Scrabble letters to count in the unchecked cells of what we will be entering in the unclued lights. Now that is original and a warning light goes on. We tend to ignore those messages that tell us something like GREY CAT BOUGHT CHAMBERS – rarely anything coherent or valuable – but there must be a reason for the 28.

Solving goes quite well and we soon have all but three of the solutions, though, frankly I struggle to admit Kruger into the Elite Listener Setters Oenophiles – he sneaks in with his ‘During most of month, seeks out fun times in Chamonix? (8)’ We put together APRI and SEEKS*, extracting one of the Es to give APRES SKI – plenty of glasses raised there, so “Cheers Kruger anyway!”

In ‘carte blanche’ situations like this, I wait for a K, or a B, a Q or a V to start the grid fill but STREAK, KADE, AVENUE, AVATAR, ABOARD, TSABIAN, PERIBLEM all refuse to perform. NAVY and NAVAIDS will intersect but we have almost completed a cold solve before GAIA opens up the lower left corner and we laboriously complete – or almost complete – our grid with some rather curious omissions: KNO?, ?ALKE?, BI?CH?RD, AB?AM, and ?UINC? and a peculiar set of four empty letters where we have to enter EREMITE?, AB?OARD and COL?LEGE. Even then light doesn’t dawn until we put our answers into grid order and spell out SECOND NAME OF THE TWENTY-NINTH PRESIDENT OF THE USA.

Wiki tells us he was Warren Gamaliel Harding so light dawns and his name goes under the grid. We need Wiki to give us those second names of the 6th, 11th, 19th, 20th and 43rd presidents too and the 33rd produces a smile. At first we decide we should give Harry S. Truman an S but then the sum of the Scrabble values would be 29:

R+A+B+Q+Y+X+E = 1+1+3+10+4+8+1 = 28

We learn that S was not his second name; it was just a letter to honor his grandparents. I wonder how many solvers will put that S into the unch! (Sneaky?)

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Listener 4811 “Southern Course”: A Setter’s Blog by Seps

Posted by Listen With Others on 5 May 2024

This was my first attempt at a themed puzzle. I finished my previous job in June 2022 and my new (self-employed) career was starting slowly, so I had some spare time and decided to have a go. 

Soon after I started solving the Listener in 1993 I encountered a memorable puzzle called ‘Not Quite Tied Test’ by Phil Brindall (no. 3216) in which the clues were cricket-themed. These days golf is the sport I’m most passionate about (or, more accurately, obsessed with), hence the golf-themed puzzle. When I noticed that GENE SARAZEN and ANCIENT MARINER had a few letters in common as well as the albatross connection, that gave me the main gimmick.

I needed a few more thematic pieces. Once I started thinking about the Ancient Mariner, the line ‘And he stoppeth one of three’ seemed useful. (I’m not sure who first used this line to describe a substandard wicketkeeper, but it’s been part of cricket lore for a while.) And the other reference to an albatross that jumped to mind was the Monty Python sketch.

All the thematic elements seemed to suggest themselves quite quickly, but I came down to earth with a bump when it came to fitting them into a grid. After dozens of abortive attempts, moving them round the grid, changing orientation, re-barring etc, I eventually had a filled grid and was able to start writing clues. This part was really enjoyable. I sent the puzzle off to Filbert who kindly agreed to test solve.

This revealed one major problem: my answer lengths were much too short. There was no alternative but to improve the grid and re-fill. I had to remove the grid’s symmetry but found an alternative that seemed to meet the average word length requirement. Most of the original clues had to go, including references to (among others) Bobby Jones, Sandy Lyle, Angel Cabrera, Craig Stadler, Nick Faldo, Ben Hogan, Hideki Matsuyama, Billy Casper, Patrick Reed, Fuzzy Zoeller, Adam Scott, Arnold Palmer, Horton Smith and Greg Norman. But I was happy enough with the new set of clues.

I sent the puzzle off to Shane, only to find the average answer length was still a bit too short – I had made the mistake of rounding to one decimal place! But I was able to fix this with relatively minor changes to the grid and a few new clues. It was great to receive the email from Shane accepting the puzzle. There was already a puzzle scheduled for Masters Saturday in 2023 so we decided to hold it over until 2024.

When I received the edited puzzle for proof-reading, it was clear my original clues were rather on the long side. However, Shane and Roger had come up with some excellent concise alternatives including new references to Jon Rahm and Byron Nelson.

I learned a lot from this process, in particular to be patient when constructing a grid, to nail down the grid before writing the clues and to keep the clues concise. 

Thanks to my test solver Filbert, to Shane and Roger, and to John Green for his sterling work.

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